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		<title>Did We Watch The Same VP Debate?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rob Kall&#8217;s article, &#8220;Ryan: A Weak, Minor League Teacup&#8221; made me laugh. Kall tries to pass off Biden&#8217;s smiles and grins as, &#8220;&#8230; part of his plan to marginalize Ryan, to show &#8230; contempt for Ryan &#8230; Biden backed up his smiling contempt with strong words.&#8221; That having been said, some research into what both [...]]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.conservativedailynews.com/2012/10/did-we-watch-the-same-vp-debate/biden/" rel="attachment wp-att-70367"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-70367" title="biden" src="http://www.conservativedailynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/biden-300x195.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="195" /></a>Rob Kall&#8217;s <a href="http://www.opednews.com/articles/Ryan-A-Weak-Minor-League-by-Rob-Kall-121012-971.html">article</a>, &#8220;Ryan: A Weak, Minor League Teacup&#8221; made me laugh. Kall tries to pass off Biden&#8217;s <a href="http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/11/biden-swaps-hope-and-change-for-interrupt-and-laugh/">smiles and grins</a> as, &#8220;&#8230; part of his plan to marginalize Ryan, to show &#8230; contempt for Ryan &#8230; Biden backed up his smiling contempt with strong words.&#8221;</p>
<p>That having been said, some research into what both candidates said is certainly in order.</p>
<ul>
<li>Unbiased Martha Raddatz &#8211; She was, after the debate, criticized for <a href="http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20121012083742AAJPpd4">interrupting</a> [Paul Ryan] 31 times &#8211; that&#8217;s in addition to the <a href="http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/100184892/joe-biden-interrupted-paul-ryan-82-times-in-90-minutes-the-democrats-have-become-the-rude-party/">82 times</a>Biden interrupted Ryan. So, it seems that both Raddatz and Biden tried to &#8220;marginalize Ryan,&#8221; to &#8220;show &#8230; contempt for Ryan&#8230;.&#8221;"Biden backed up his smiling contempt with strong words&#8221; &#8211; unfortunately, his &#8220;strong words&#8221; weren&#8217;t founded on facts, something I don&#8217;t say without cause:</li>
<li>Biden&#8217;s <a href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/12/biden-debate-facts-prompt-white-house-clarifications/">&#8220;facts&#8221;</a>require White House clarification; 26 times Biden stressed the importance of facts:
<ul>
<li>&#8220;White House Press Secretary Jay Carney, [on October 12, 2012,] tried to explain why Biden&#8217;s remarks were being misinterpreted.&#8221; There is a word for what Carney is doing: dissembling!</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li><a href="http://blog.heritage.org/2012/10/12/vp-debate-joe-bidens-three-most-misleading-foreign-policy-statements/">Foreign Policy</a>:
<ul>
<li>&#8220;Biden falsely claims he did not vote to invade Afghanistan or Iraq.&#8221;</li>
<li>&#8220;Biden contradicts State, blames intelligence community for Libya misinformation.&#8221;</li>
<li>&#8220;Biden claims the administration didn&#8217;t know the Benghazi consulate requested greater security, again contradicting State.&#8221;</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li><a href="http://www.atr.org/bidens-tax-malarkey-a7241">Tax &#8220;Malarkey&#8221;</a>:
<ul>
<li>Biden: &#8220;97 percent of the small businesses in America pay less &#8211; make less than $250,000. Let me tell you who some of those other small businesses are: hedge funds that make $600 million, $800 million a year. That&#8217;s &#8211; that&#8217;s what they count as small businesses, because they&#8217;re pass-through.&#8221;</li>
<li>Biden: &#8220;We went ahead and made sure that we cut taxes for the middle class.&#8221;</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li><a href="http://blog.heritage.org/2012/10/12/vice-presidential-debate-truefalse-quiz-on-taxes-and-entitlements/">Entitlements and Taxes</a>. According to Biden:
<ul>
<li>&#8220;The capital gains tax rate is a loophole.&#8221; False.</li>
<li>&#8220;About 120,000 high-income families would get an additional $500 billion tax cut over 10 years.&#8221; False</li>
<li>&#8220;Romney’s tax plan would cut taxes by $5 trillion.&#8221; False</li>
<li>&#8220;Romney’s tax plan would cut deductions for the middle class.&#8221; FalseOn the other hand, we find Ryan&#8217;s statements to be true. It&#8217;s difficult to marginalize the truth!</li>
<li>&#8220;Raising taxes on small businesses would cost 710,000 jobs.&#8221; True</li>
<li>&#8220;The tax rate on small businesses would rise to nearly 45 percent under President Obama’s proposal.&#8221; True</li>
</ul>
</li>
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<p>I also got a laugh from Igor Volsky&#8217;s <a href="http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/10/12/1002021/at-the-vice-presidential-debate-ryan-told-24-myths-in-40-minutes/">article</a>, &#8220;At The Vice Presidential Debate: Ryan Told 24 Myths In 40 Minutes.&#8221; Volsky manages to list 24 myths, some of them are a &#8220;stretch&#8221; at best:</p>
<ul>
<li>Myth # 1: Ryan said, &#8220;It took the president two weeks to acknowledge that [the Libya attack] was a terrorist attack.&#8221; Volsky says, &#8220;Obama used the word &#8216;terrorism&#8217; to describe the killing of Americans the very next day at the Rose Garden.&#8221; To that statement, I have two questionsd. First, just where in his statement does Obama refer to the Lybia attack? Second, if Obama was referring to the Lybia attack, why the elablorate cover-up attempt by trying to blame a film? Even Biden didn&#8217;t buy what Volsky is espousing.</li>
<li>Myth # 3: Ryan said, &#8220;Medicare and Social Security are going bankrupt. These are indisputable facts.&#8221; Volsky replies: &#8220;[T]he possibility of Medicare going bankrupt is &#8230; greatly exaggerated.&#8221; I agree, &#8220;bankrupt&#8221; is the wrong word, so let&#8217;s use &#8220;insolvency.&#8221; According to a Congressional Research Service <a href="http://www.aging.senate.gov/crs/medicare14.pdf">report</a>, Medicare&#8217;s &#8220;Hospital Insurance Trust Fund&#8221; (Part A) is projected to be insolvent in 2017 (Table 1, page 5). Talk about a myth! The Social Security Trust Fund, <a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505146_162-39942944/the-social-security-trust-fund-myth/">comprised</a> entirely of &#8220;Special Bonds,&#8221; is truly a myth. And, the Social Secuity Trust Fund is projected to become <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/social-security-disability-trust-fund-projected-to-run-out-of-cash-by-2016/2012/05/30/gJQA3AfH1U_story.html">insolvent</a>in 2016.</li>
<li>Myth # 8: Ryan said, &#8220;Obamacare takes $716 billion from Medicare to spend on Obamacare.&#8221; Volsky replies: &#8220;Ryan is claiming that Obamacare siphons off $716 billion from Medicare, to the detriment of Medicare beneficiaries.&#8221; Please view <a href="http://www.atr.org/obama-loots-billion-medicare-a7135">this article</a>. &#8216;Nuff said.</li>
</ul>
<p>As Kall likes to say: &#8220;Bottom Line:&#8221; According to <a href="http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/12/krauthammer-bidens-disrespectful-hugely-condescending-undid-a-potential-debate-win">Dr. Charles Krauthammer</a>, <em>Washington Post</em> columnist, &#8220;“If you read the transcript, I think it&#8217;s dead even. If you heard it on radio, Biden won. If you watched on television, he lost. In the transcript, if you just look at the raw arguments I think it was even because each side had points to make and made them. I think on balance, not one side was stronger than another.&#8221; He continued, &#8220;If you put them all together and you end up with television where you saw the demeanor that the Vice President had in regard to Ryan, I think that undid the advantage in rhetoric that he had in carrying the debate. It was so disrespectful.&#8221; So, according to Krauthammer, Biden was the loser if you watched the debate on TV.</p>
<p>Who &#8220;won?&#8221; I guess that is like beauty &#8211; it&#8217;s in the eye of the beholder.</p>
<p align="center">But that&#8217;s just my opinion.</p>
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