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Biden appeals to base, Ryan takes higher ground in debate

Biden smiling

The only vice-presidential debate in the 2012 election season is complete and the verdict is in: Biden did exactly what the liberal base demanded and Ryan went for a broader audience.

Vice President Biden spent the debate pushing the liberal talking points by painting his opponent as killing medicare, gutting social security, being a warmonger and more – all while smiling like the Cheshire Cat, laughing while Ryan was speaking and even snorting during Ryan’s honest answer about his personal views on his religion and abortion. Biden also chose to interrupt the Congressman more than 80 times.

The Washington Times’s Emily Miller tweeted this:

Many more tweets were to be found criticizing the Vice President for his disrespectful handling of a U.S. Representative and V.P. candidate. Ultimately the debate came down to style vs. substance.

Perhaps Gary Young in his post at Guardian.co.uk said what some were thinking after the debate as he wrote that  “They fought to a bloodied draw in which Biden won on substance and Ryan won on style.”

Polls at MarketWatch.com and CNN show Ryan came away the winner while CNBC.COM’s unscientific poll gave Biden the nod.  In the end, it appears a draw, but there is more to consider.

(add your responses to the CDN debate questions at the bottom of this post)

Biden’s antics and rhetoric will only appeal to the liberal base that would have gone his way no matter what. Biden presented no plan for getting America’s economy going, fixing the massive debt crisis or dealing with the growing Middle-East mess – other than that he and Obama would do more of the same.

A key message from the debate was that Biden approves of how Obama has worked with Congress while Ryan says that the President needs to come to the table with a more open mind. Biden, and an obviously biased moderator, said that Ryan’s “framework” approach lacked details. Ryan pointed out that coming to the table with an all-or-nothing approach is why the government is so dysfunctional and that the President should present a framework within which Congress can feel free to negotiate, compromise and reach agreement.

There were no obvious gaffe’s or “there you go again” moments in this debate. The debate was likely lightly watched due to competing sporting events and the fact that VP debates have little impact on voters – people just don’t vote for the Vice President. Afterall, less than 8% of likely voters are undecided and they weren’t watching the debate.

 

CNN poll shows Ryan slightly over Biden in debate – lefties go off in comments

CNN VP debate poll

The Vice Presidential Debate in Danville, Kentucky featured a calm, cool Paul Ryan facing off against a visibly irritated, impatient and unruly Vice President Joe Biden. CNN conducted a poll after the debate asking who readers thought won the debate and Ryan edged out the feisty VP by four points – the left became unhinged in the comments.

The poll had a 5% margin of error which means the results actually indicate that the candidates matched evenly within the margin.Only 381 people responded to the poll, which is a small sample by polling standards.

What’s more interesting is the reaction of CNN readers – off the hinges ..

Seriously? There was a sample of 381 people.. why go off on it? Never mind.

Why is the sample so small and was the poll taken as a phone survey, exit survey, web poll? No indication

Another important note is CNN admitting it’s normal polling bias. In special note #2 on the poll, CNN says that their poll shows a slight GOP lean which they argue is not indicative of the general public:

SPECIAL NOTE OF CAUTION #2: The sample of debate-watchers in this poll were 31% Democratic and 33% Republican. That indicates that the sample of debate watchers is about eight points more Republican than an average CNN poll of all Americans, so the respondents were more Republican than the general public.

Interesting that CNN feels that that a 25% Republican sample would have been better? Exactly how “Republican” is the general public? Then again, why does it matter? Many Conservatives are unaffiliated independents, so not seeing a full set of cross-tables could mean that independents were more the reason for the Ryan weighting. The special note is meant to make it seem as though a heavy GOP sample is to blame.

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Vice Presidential Debate – Full Video and poll

Joe Biden and Paul Ryan

Joe Biden and Paul Ryan

CDN’s Michelle Ray will be covering tonight’s Vice Presidential debate

Tonight Vice President Joe Biden will face-off against Republican V.P. candidate Rep. Paul Ryan. The debate will be broadcast live on ABC, CBS, C-SPAN, FOX and NBC, as well as all cable news channels including CNBC, CNN, Fox News, and MSNBC and a livestream will be hosted on CDN.

Take a look at our user-driven interactive poll at the bottom of this page. You can submit questions before, during and after the debate and see other reader’s feedback immediately.

The contrasts between the V.P. candidates is even larger than between Romney and Obama. Biden is 27 years older than Ryan which puts an entire generation between the two candidates. Biden is a true liberal, populist Democrat while Ryan is a young, fiscally-Conservative Republican. Biden has been featured in 18 debates in his political career which gives him a serious experience edge over Ryan. Both have significant political experience with Ryan being a seven-term Representative as Joe Biden was a seven term Senator before running for President and eventually becoming Obama’s running mate.

Joe Biden has an incredible ability to relate to the ordinary voter. His use of populist rhetoric and colloquialisms echo with both the democratic party base and progressive extreme left. His use of colorful language in public speaking has often been featured in news highlights showing Biden throwing another gaffe at another event. It has become so regular that most dismiss it as “that’s just Joe”.

The Vice President has been scarce on television of late. Since May, he has not done a single television interview while Rep. Ryan has done over 200 since August. This is largely thought to be a move by the campaign to keep Joe off camera as much as possible to avoid any issues that might affect the election.

Tonight’s format will be a sit-down, table conversation. A format heavily favored by the Commission on Presidential Elections, but not so by the campaigns.

This debate is the first chance the Obama-Biden ticket has to rectify itself after a devastatingly poor showing by the President last week. Chris Van Hollen was chosen to play Paul Ryan in Biden’s debate prep while David Axelrod sat over the proceedings. Obviously, the campaign is throwing the big guns at this debate to hopefully stop the bleeding from Obama’s failure to shine.

Whether there will be another “you’re no Jack Kennedy” moment in tonight’s debate or not remains to be seen, but the expectations are fairly close. A Pew poll showed that 34% of respondents expect Biden to win while 40% expect Ryan to do better – a much closer set of results than last week’s debate where most Americans expect the President to bury Mitt Romney.

Full Recorded Video of Debate

Format and Schedule of 2012 Presidential Debates

After the grueling GOP nominee debates last year, political junkies are just dying for another round of “this or that”, “tweet your question”, “raise your hand if you agree” and other network gimmickry intended to entertain everyone involved. Not this time.

Wednesday, the Commission on Presidential Debates announced the number, dates, and format of the debates to be held between Mitt Romney and President Obama as well as a single event between Joe Biden and a VP candidate to be named later.

All of the debates will be broadcast live on ABC, CBS, C-SPAN, FOX and NBC, as well as all cable news channels including CNBC, CNN, Fox News, and MSNBC. Youtube.com will be hosting a live stream of the event on it’s political page.

There will be three 90-minutes debates between the Presidential candidates with a similar session for the veeps.

Presidential Debate Schedule:

  • October 3rd, 2012 at the University of Denver 9pm Eastern
    • Subject: Domestic policy
    • Length: 90 minutes
    • Format: Candidates standing at pulpits/lecterns. Topics divided into into six, 15-minute segments. Moderator will question the candidates.
  • October 16th, 2012 – Hofstra University, Hempstead, NY. Town Hall format
  • October 22nd, 2012 – Lynn University, Boca Raton, FL. Subject: Foreign policy
    • Subject: Foreign policy
    • Length: 90 minutes
    • Format: Candidates sitting at table. Topics divided into into six, 15-minute segments. Moderator will question the candidates.

Vice Presidential Debate

  • October 11th, 2012 at Centre College in Danville, KY
    • Length: unknown
    • Format: unknown