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  1. Now compared to countries with incredibly high gun control like England or Germany. Gun control in the US is simply pathetic and saying MOAR GUNS will solve the problems of people shooting eachother is like pouring gassoline on a fire expecting it to go out.

  2. Marijuana usage deaths: 0
    Multi person deaths (from one use) caused by tobacco: 0

  3. #7. Are you pulling these out of your ass?
    The United States ranks 24th in the world in terms of its murder rate. It also has the most highly armed civilian population.


    Pretty sad when you start out by saying “want the truth?” and a ton of other garbage, then you come out with this 3-foot yule log.

    I’d also cite Canada’s low murder/gun death rate, but they just aren’t like us – guns aren’t part of the culture like they are here, yet somehow they manage to survive day-to-day with no guns, no religion in their schools all the while watching the same TV and movies and playing the same video games as us.

    You tell me what the difference is.

  4. The problem isn’t the law, its the culture. We are by far and undeniably the most gun crazy country in the world, and its definitely caused us problems. Wax poetic about the founding fathers and your rights all you want, just remember:

    A) The second amendment mentions gun ownership in relation to the ability to form a militia, which was necessary due to the fact that the US had no standing army after the rev. war (obviously not the case now)

    B)they lived in an extremely rural, unexplored land where not having a gun meant death, and all citizens would ALWAYS know the ins and outs of the firearms he carried, based on necessity.

    C) the largest city IN THE WORLD was still shy of 1 million people, not to mention the fact that the largest city in the US was New York at around 35000.

    D) The best guns around were only effective to about 100 yards, and fired 3 shots a minute, maybe. Again, today this is not the case.

    My point is, the founding fathers were great and all, but there is no way they could have ever conceived of this. Just as we have little constitution to guide us in the debate over internet usage and privacy, we’re in a period where the constitution just isn’t nearly as relevant anymore, so why keep ourselves tethered to it?

    It isn’t those who are using guns responsibly that anyone is concerned with, its those who think that just because they have the right to have a gun means that they need a gun. That’s my fear about conceal and carry as well. irresponsible people doing irresponsible things with something they know nothing about.

    • tx, good points here, didn’t think of a couple of these (population, gun range)

    • I think you presuppose that most people are stupid.

      In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. >From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
      In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. 
      Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated. 
      China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated
      Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. 
      Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. 
      Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. 
      Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million. 
      You won’t see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information. 
      Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens. 
      Take note my fellow Americans, before it’s too late! 
      The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson. 
      With guns, we are ‘citizens’. Without them, we are ‘subjects’.
      During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED! 
      If you value your freedom, please spread this antigun-control message to all of your friends. 
      Spread the word everywhere you can that you are a firm believer in the 2nd Amendment!

      It’s time to speak loud before they try to silence and disarm us.
      You’re not imagining it, history shows that governments always manipulate tragedies to attempt to disarm the people.

  5. I forgot to include that I am 100% behind the U.S. Constitution, including the 2nd Amendment.

  6. My first thought is directed to that old Constitution & it’s amendments & how so many are willing to ignore it or toss it aside. After that I am reminded that opinions are like certain body parts & everyone has them…some better than others…& on this issue there is no ‘one size fits all’…IF one is truly interested in making their schools more secure, perhaps it would behoove you to meet with your community leaders & school officials to craft methods suited to your locale….We tend to be drawn to the stats that validate our own thinking & dispute anyone that has researched & presented any different discovery. NO STATS OR FACTS CAN REPLACE GOOD COMMON SENSE….just guide it. I should’ve prefaced my comments with the fact that I am a gun owner, a long time member of NRA & live where a carry permit is available. These guns are secured. I discovered that a bullet travels faster & farther than a knife. In all of these years not one of these guns hurt anyone. Kyle’s sources are much the same as I found, but then he does due diligence better than most. I find I can disagree with him & not have to play ‘gottcha’ to make my point. Stats alone don”t tell the story, they only make the outline.

  7. Thank you very much for the very useful service of pulling all these statistics together.

    While were about it, how about the deaths caused by kindly, gentile, compassionate socialist regimes–you know, like the Soviet Union, NSDAP Germany, Peoples Republica of China, Khmer Rouge Cambodia, etc.) versus non-socialist regimes.

  8. Here have a look at some real statistics from a paid researcher about guns in the states.


    • Oh golly, a paid researcher? I happen to be a paid researcher with graduate degrees in International Studies and Political Science, and let me tell you what I think:

      1. You cannot compare gun control and gun homicide rate only, because there are alternative ways to kill people in the absence of legal firearms availability. The U.S. has the highest gun possession rate in the world, far more than Russia, which has five times the murder rate. That’s one example. The U.S. ranks 24th in the world in murder rate, and that puts it behind countries: Russia, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Belarus, Ukraine, Kyrgyzstan, Moldova, Poland, Georgia, Jamaica and others.

      2. Luxemburg was taken out, and it has very strict gun control laws and nine times the murder rate of relaxed gun law country Germany. This is one case cited in the Harvard journal article cited above. There are others.

      3. If you look within the United States, 37 states have concealed carry laws, a few are in dispute, and about ten have very restrictive gun permit procedures. These strict gun control states do not enjoy reduced handgun violence. On the contrary, states that allow concealed carry see reductions in many types of gun-related violence.

      4. Disarmed populaces are easy for statists to bully around and to force into whatever arbitrary policies they want. This may not mean much to ignoramuses, but it means something to people who have read a history book outside of high school or outside of their carefully assigned college curricula.

      4. I could put any statistic in the world here, and you are just going to believe what you want anyway. It likely makes you feel good to think you’re morally superior for not liking guns, and to think any differently is against what liberalism is about — feeling first, thinking second.

      • You should not compare the USA to failed states but to it’s economic developed European neigbours which are much more close socio-economic wise. There you see that the gun possession and murder rate is of the chart for the USA.

        If you look at the heatmap in from the link I posted, you see that gun murder rates are the lowest in New England, and the heighest in the conservative south, where I guess the most lax gun laws are.

        Europe has much more blood per square foot of soil than the USA, so don’t lecture us about history. We have been in the killing bussiness much longer than the USA exists, and decided there are smarter ways than everybody having guns and war all the time. (Yes the USA got us out of the last big war, but we aren’t starting any anymore in Europe).

        And to take away some of the fake counter arguments I have second post for you in which the author of the first link targets also these with data:


      • The part of your chart regarding non-fire arm homicide is incorrect. The CDC had the same number you said but it had TOTAL homicides, not non-fire arm homicides. I just checked the CDC website.

    • From The Telegraph: http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/jan/10/gun-crime-us-state

      The US has the highest gun ownership rate in the world – there are 89 guns for every 100 Americans, compared to 6 in England and Wales.

      “In 2011 – the latest year for which detailed statistics are available – there were 12,664 murders in the US. Of those, 8,583 were caused by firearms.”

      The U.S. has a population of 311,000,000 people. This means a gun murder rate of 2.75 for every 100,000 people. But like I pointed out to no avail, the overall murder rate is highly relevant.

      This is a map of the U.S. by intentional homicide rate. Not so much of an outlier now, is it?

      • Ok, so you do think it is correct to compare the USA with failed States? Does is fall within that category?

        • I went out of my way to prove they aren’t “failed states.” Like I listed and you ignored, the biggest spree killings of K-12 children before Newtown happened in Britain and Germany. If we extend out that age group, the gun-free zone of Norway was the largest such mass murder. These are failed states in the liberal imagination?

          You don’t like guns and neither do I, personally (though I know how to shoot), but banning guns is stupid and dangerous. Can’t be any more plain than that.

          • You forgot to say what Britain did after the school massacre. Hand guns are now illegal. Assault weapons always have been because we are not demented.

            Our society hasn’t exactly fallen apart since the law was passed.

            I believe it did go a bit far and was passed for the wrong reasons – any politician who called for less than a total ban suddenly found themselves without a career for being “out of touch”.

            Banning guns is neither stupid nor dangerous. There was a time when Americans did need to be armed to assure their continued safety and freedom. You aren’t new nation on untamed ground, beset with threats any more, it’s time to grow up and stop pretending you are.

            The biggest threat you have these days comes from the people you live with, the solution is societal, not holding on to the ability to blow them away.

            Your stats are a little wobbly. If you have unintentional injuries in there, you should split out gun-related ones. Big-picture, I think the stats unhelpful due to intentionality. It doesn’t make sense to compare errors and accidents to homicide simply because the outcomes are the same.

  9. the arguments made in this article are f***** stupid.

    ppl own baseball bats for sport. can use them as a weapon.

    what are ppl owning guns for? many ppl that own guns may be fine.

    but how about the mentally insane?

    tho you have to question what ppl are going to do with a gun if they own one.

    • Didn’t read the article, did you, Ed?

    • I’m not going to argue any points here but you want to know what people are going to do with guns they own. Not sure of you’re talking about everyone in general but here is an answer. I own 6 guns one of them being an assault rifle. Only one firearm is loaded and its for home defense. The others are because I’m fascinated by them. Just like car guys are to cars. I am an avid and often target shooter. I am responsible and of sound mental health. I do not conceal carry yet I don’t believe its a bad idea. Most people will never use their guns in a defensive act or a senseless violent one. The over used saying does apply here.

    • There are dozens of sports you can participate in with a firearm and only one with a baseball bat. What are you talking about? Are you mentally insane?

  10. Comparing high powered Murder on children to accidents is STUPID, selfish politicizing and insensitive.

    • Not knowing the facts or refusing to listen is stupid.

    • It’s called an incidence rate, “Progressive Man.” Conservatives aren’t arguing to expand concealed carry laws, they are only defending themselves against progressives who want to blindly and dangerously expand gun control laws because it will make them feel better. In other words, progressives are offensively politicizing this, literally by turning to politics instead of reasoned discourse, and conservatives are defending themselves with evidence and reason.

      • Conservatives aren’t calling for expanded concealed carry laws? Do you live under a rock? That is their only “solution” to our epidemic of gun violence.

        As for progressives not providing evidence, you are clearly wrong, since a few comments up, William321 linked to a website provident an evidence based argument. I consider looking at statistics part of a “reasoned discourse”, instead of relying on meaningless sayings like “guns don’t kill people” or “if guns are criminalized, only criminals will have guns” which what 99% of gun advocates do.

        I’ve yet to see a gun advocate respond to any of the stats that progressives produce, including the comparisons with other developed countries (such as Japan, which only had 11 gun deaths in 2011).

        Anyways, here is some more evidence you will ignore: http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/research/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-death/index.html

        • Spewing stats as evidence for your assertion without any further supporting argument (other than referring to more stats) is meaningless and a logical fallacy known as affirming the consequent.

        • or, rather, post hoc ergo propter hoc

          • Gunslinger: You are on target, my friend. Statistics are not always correct and are often used to “cook the books”. What the progressive, liberal, socialist Democrats most likely do is include justifiable homicides in their stats. Then they scream, “We need more gun control!” because a higher homicide count is shown by not researching those stats. The truth of the matter is that justifiable homicides are, in fact, included as a homicide until such time as the case is cleared as a justifiable homicide and then it is required to be removed, with the justification, as a homicide from the Uniform Crime Report. Many times justifiable homicides are not cleared for months and can lead into the follwing calendar year. That being the case, the prior year homicide stats must be updated. If the stats are compiled and published before the justification clearence, then those stats are incorrect and misleading.

            As a 30+ year law enforcement veteran, I have encountered my share of homicides by firearm. Most were committed by people previously convicted of violent crimes, including gang members and others. In those instances every one of the firearms used were stolen, as persons previously convicted of violent crimes are not permitted to possess any firearms.

            There are enough “firearms restriction” laws already on the books. The problem is NOT the firearms themselves but, rather the criminals that use the firearms as a tool to commit crimes of violence and, the Judges that reduce, or suspend their sentences.

            There needs to be a MANDATORY 15 year prison sentence, without the benefit of “earning time off for good behavior”, for anyone that uses a firearm in the commission of any type of crime, without allowing Judges any discretion in sentencing, in addition to any additional conviction for the crime that was committed while using a firearm. The same must be implemented for conviction on the charge of a “Felon In Possession of a Firearm” if the criminal is simply in possession or, committed a crime without using the firearm but, still possessing a firearm on or about his person.

            There should also be mandatory notification to law enforcement authorities in each state that are responsible for the NIC check and regulated firearms purchases about people that are being continuously treated for mental illness. Those people will not be able to purchase firearms. As it is now, they can lie on a firearms purchase application about their mental status and still buy a firearm, which happens and will continue to happen until that problem is addressed by the legislators in Washington.

            Another situation that I have realized is that our children are exposed to upwards of 220,000 murders by the time they reach age 18. Their exposure is by way of violent movies, violent video games and violent television shows. Hollywood and video game designers must be brought to task for poisoning the minds of our children, and adults, with the midset of “killing people is okay.”

            Okay, I said my piece.
            ‘Nuff said….