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Was America Founded As A Christian Nation? …Not At All

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  1. Jan Brown says:

    TJ, Not sure how this post came to the forefront again, However, I see I owe you an apology. I read it again & gained new prespective entirely. I believe I can see where you were coming from now. You did rather remarkable work laying out ‘the’ reasoning. And it appears, you did what yu sat out to do…Provocation that results in ‘thinking’ isn’t a bad thing at all

  2. ben marshall says:

    One thing predominates over the debate. If the government operates at the consent of the people, of the people, and at the time, 95%+ of the people were Christians, then it must be understood that the spirit and intent of our founding documents were drafted at the consent of Christians. What’s that tell ya? Any moron should be able to see this.

    It means they knew exactly how to create governing text so as to assure God wasn’t imposed by the state. That is faith! It is because they knew He could well impose Himself having all power in heaven and earth. Also, those guys constantly used the phrase “In The Year of Our Lord Jesus Christ 1777 etc “. So, leave the roots American Exceptionalism alone!

    It is freedom OF religion not Freedom FROM religion by the way.
    The idea of separation of Church and state is a Christian idea in the first place. It is why our forefathers ventured here at all. I don’t need a snotty-nose collectivist to lecture me about his obsession with revisionism. They are liars & parasites.

    Also, it is dam certain that Judeo/Bolshevism didn’t sneak in and craft our country as secularist or atheistic. I smell them a mile off.

    The creed of our worst enemies at the moment, since roughly 1935:

    “Socialism is precisely the religion that must overwhelm Christianity. In the new order, Socialism will triumph by first capturing the culture via infiltration of schools, universities, churches and the media by transforming the consciousness of society.” ~ Antonio Gramsci, atheistic Jewish Italian communist

    “Anyone who knows anything of history knows that great social changes are impossible without feminine upheaval….the ugly ones included.” ~ Marx another


    “…at least 51 of the 55 delegates to the Constitutional Convention were members of Christian churches, and that leading American political figures in the founding era quoted the Bible far more than any other source”. John Eidsmoe

    “Of all the systems of morality, ancient or modern, which have come under my observation, none appear to be so pure as that of Jesus.”
    ~Thomas Jefferson Letter to William Canby, Sept 18,1813 age 70

    “Had the doctrines of Jesus been preached always as purely as they came from his lips the whole civilized world would now have been Christian”. ~ Jefferson’s letter to Benjamin Waterhouse June 26, 1822 age 79

    Every time you drink a beer repeat this one by Sam Adams:
    “He who made all men has made the truths necessary to human happiness obvious to all…Our forefathers opened the Bible to all”

    ” We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” ~ John Adams October 11, 1798

  3. Kyle says:

    I’m an enemy of wishful thinking and historical revisionism, whether it be on the right or left. That being said, a good defense of your point of view, TJ. The counter-arguments are in the main specious and do not address the main argument: we were not founded as a “Christian” nation. James Madison, the key framer to The Constitution, puts it well in Memorial and Remonstrance Against Religious Assessments that while Christianity is to be lauded, in no wise is Christianity to be enforced by the state upon the populace. (See historical context of that document for a clearer picture of Madison’s argument.)

    Christians tend to forget how oppressive many communities were in enforcing religious dogma, which was a source of unfreedom and strife amongst the communities. The Founders, being intimate with European history, the long-running Hundred Years’ “War,” and the brutal Thirty Years War, the tyranny of Henry VIII and the Church of England, the reaction of Cromwell, knew well the dangers of religious fervor, when recombined with state power. No, ours was meant to be a civil society, where religious differences, and all other individual differences, were to be adamantly and unquestioningly protected by the state as God-given rights, as seemingly contradictory as that argument blushes.

    Thus, ours is a Christian nation only in the sense that the American people are free to choose Christianity in a civil society or to reject it. Reverence for Christianity is accorded along with respect for all religions, traditional expressions of American worship of God in our political institutions and esteem of the Bible notwithstanding. As the article argues well, The Constitution is the Supreme Law of the Land.

  4. JAN BROWN says:

    Never fear, TJ, God forgives idiots as well as sinners….We pray daily for the down trodden, the unclean and we can pray for you & your ilk as well.

    QUESTION: If not founded on the Christian influnce, then what is the foundation??

  5. Grumpy says:

    This video may help answer the question


    According to the video, for many years on Sunday, the US Capitol Building was the largest church in the country– housing numerous “Christian” congregations and denominations simultaneously. The custom was started Thomas Jefferson….

    As for the language in the Treaty– Many Muslims consider an attack on or even an insult to a Muslim or a Muslim from a non Muslim an insult to the religion. Continuing the war against the N Africans would have been a loser, Diplomatic expediency sign it and be done

  6. JimNEPA says:

    The Declaration affirmed that our rights come from God, not from a king. The Bible shows that God warned the Israelites that human kings turned greedy and sold out their peoples, and this they, the Framers, saw with their own eyes in their own time. (Even David in the Bible, a man after God’s own heart, proved too bloodthirsty, and Solomon, for all the wisdom God granted him, was led astray by his pagan wives.)

    Getting rid of a king who sinned against God by oppressing those he was charged by God to lead would thus be considered a Christian duty, even as it was the duty of David to overthrow King Saul, the first human king placed over Israel.

    The Framers went back to the core: God giving timeless Commandments to us to obey. We were to prayerfully, and with full consideration of God, govern ourselves, even as God gave us the model of family, with the husband obeying God and leading the household by example, and the wife obeying the husband even as he obeyed God, and the children obeying both.

    They knew that best system of government began with obedience to God, not a king who believed his own hype and thought himself above God. Unfortunately, our leaders forgot the lesson long ago, and corruption overtook many of them.

    Yes, we were established on Christian principles. We just weren’t a “Methodist” nation, or a “Congregationalist” nation, or a “Roman Catholic” nation.

    • Jack says:

      Just because one of the proclamations of our declaration of independence was based off principles from the Bible doesn’t mean we’re a Christian country. That’s like saying that if I base rules for a business i owned off of values my father instilled me with, that i should also make all my employees worship my father as a personal deity. And, I don’t think you’ve even proven that the founders disavowed the notion of a king because the bible proclaims the same message. It’s possible, but they were probably dissatisfied with that method of governance because of the oppression the colonies faced under King James III.

      The United States of America was not founded as a Christian nation. You can argue it all you want, but you’re going to have to do it, while George Washington states that, “…The United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion…”. Unanimously supported by a senate largely comprised of our founders. The majority of the Framers were Christian but they also believed in the separation of church and state. Inserting god into the pledge of allegiance and on our currency is in no way secular as our founders originally intended our society to be.

      And, if you want to talk about a tyrannical authority figure, look no further than Yahweh. A man who floods the entire planet, killing every living person except one, endorses slavery, endorses the death of hundreds of thousands in warfare, prescribes a reward for rapists and punishes critical thinkers to eternal hellfire.

  7. Tom says:

    The Framers didn’t want the federal government establishing a “state church” (as England and some European Countries had at the time) or interfering with the free exercise of religion. The First Amendment kept the federal government from interfering with the people’s right to establish their own churches and denominations and worship freely.

    You are confusing the Church of England with Christianity and you have obviously omitted large portions of both documents which would have debunked your false contentions. Although this article was published under the banner of conservatism, it incorporates the honesty and insanity of the far left progressives in it’s bias and incorrect information. Basically, it isn’t worth the space it takes up. Rubbish!

  8. Tom says:

    The concept of a Judeo/Christian God or nature’s God was embraced by the Founders:

    Fifty-two of the 55 Framers of the U.S. Constitution were members of established orthodox churches in the colonies:

    Dutch Reformed-2
    Roman Catholic-2

    In fact, the Framers enshrined the concept of the Judeo/Christian God and nature’s God in the Declaration of Independence:

    When …it becomes necessary for one people to …assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature’s God entitle them …

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights …

    We, therefore, the representatives of the United States of America … appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the name, and by the authority of the good people of these colonies …

    And for the support of this declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.

    At the time the First Amendment was written, several states were dominated by churches, e.g., Connecticut was Congregationalist, Massachusetts was Puritan, Virginia was Baptist, and Pennsylvania was Quaker. The people in those states chose the religion they preferred, and they didn’t want the federal government imposing any particular sect or denomination on their states.

  9. The USA was founded on Christian Values. Even the original Supreme Court had 2 hours of prayer before convening. No we are not a Christian Nation. We are a free Nation to worship as we please. Without Gov. saying when, where and how. Our Supreme Court has Christian Art surrounding the Chambers on top of the walls. The Reg. the Gov. has imposed in totally against the constitution. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
    [Extracted from The Constitution of the United States of America]