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Atheists, The Marines, and When a Cross Transcends All Religious Meaning

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About Liz Harrison (twitter: @GoldwaterGal)

Liz is a mostly-retired veteran political campaign worker, wife, mom, opinionated gal, fiscal conservative, anti-social-conservative, atheist, and foreign affairs/Mid-East politics junkie.


  1. Face it: there is legal precedence from the ruling on the Mt Soledad cross. The cross “conveys a message of government endorsement of religion that violates the Establishment Clause”. Sorry guys, but you will lose against the courts every time. You never learn. All you can do is cry whenever people stand up to your religious nationalism. Welcome to 2012 on the internet, where you’re the minority. How does it feel now?

    • Liz Harrison (twitter: @GoldwaterGal)

      The memorial would convey a message of endorsement, if it was created on the direct order of a member of the military brass. It was not. Not ordering the Marines on that base to remove it is not an endorsement of the memorial by the leaders of that base, nor is it the endorsement of the U.S. government in general. And I am an atheist. I am fed up with other atheists running around crying that they’re offended by this or that religious observance. In this case, it is none of their damned business. It is not on public property, in the sense that it is restricted access for safety and military reasons. Civilians have no business there, so these civilian atheists need to get over it!

  2. I am a Christian and a veteran. I am deeply offended by the fact that someone can say they are offended by something no matter what it is, demand it be removed from their sight. Not because I am Christian. I think some people should mind their own business. Some people are so pathetic and need some kind of drama going on their life to make it seem like they have a life. I guess to them being a lowlife is at least having a life for them. It’s so sad that someone would protest a symbol of a fallen warrior because it happened to have a cross. I mean come on. A marine won’t lay down for them. Maybe they bit off more than they can chew. God bless our fallen, those who have served, and them OL atheist.

  3. I guess atheists should pluck there eyes out than to be burdened with such a sight of this symbol! And please, don’t give me “such a christian sh*t” cause I ain’t, trust me, happily remove anyone from this planet and answer for it later!

  4. There’s nothing wrong with paying respect to your Brothers-In-Arms. If you have an issue with it, pick up a rifle, stand a post, and go fight for YOUR beliefs, just like we fought for ours. Then maybe, just maybe you’ll understand our position as Soldiers, Marines, Airmen and Sailors; paying our respects to our Friends, Comrades, Battle Buddies. These people piss me off with their agenda’s. It’s not your place, it’s not your land, it’s not a religious symbol. It’s a MEMORIAL. PERIOD. Go find another fight, one worth fighting……you piss-ants.

  5. What hatred for non-believing soldiers who have just as much right as anyone to be honored. This cross issue has nothing to do with truly neutral symbols such as the “Tomb of the Unknowns”. In fact, a quick google search shows numerous sites lamenting the removal “Christian Crosses” from Camp Pendleton and how this issue is a direct attack on Christianity. A more neutral symbol would serve everyone. The crosses should come down.

    • well, FreeForAll, if you think it should come down why dont you come and try and take it from us? how is it hurting anyone? Atheists already have a symbol up there for them its nothing, what they believe in, leave the rest of us alone.

    • Liz Harrison (twitter: @GoldwaterGal)

      You do understand that the people complaining about these crosses are not Marines, and do not have “legal” access to the site in question, right? No complaints have been made by non-believing soldiers – on the contrary, they have apparently added their own items to this memorial. Are you suggesting that the Marines at Camp Pendleton do not have the right to make a memorial to their fallen brothers in the way that they see fit? And this isn’t about Christianity or being inclusive, just because a group of atheists say it is. There is another religion involved in this one, and the only members of that faith are the men and women that wear the uniform of a Marine. But that was the point of this entire article, which was obviously missed!

    • Well, considering the cross isn’t there to serve everyone, just the Marines and the Marines don’t have an issue with it, then I don’t think it needs to come down. I’m sure if the Marines had a problem with it, they’d take it down. And it doesn’t violate the Separation of Church and State as it was not an official monument created by the military. It was created by some Marines acting alone, not on orders. Just let them have their damn memorial and stay out of it.

    • It’s sad when these group of people are so lonely and bored to mess with a place that there brothers in arms are being remembered and where others can hand over solvency to a higher being….I have no respect for a man, women or who ever who will take a place from someone that gives them clarity and a place to lay there burdens, shame on everyone who made this a religious battle and to try to be noticed for there BELIEFS….I am tired of people having the right that these people died for spit upon with actions like this….sad and disrespectful. Shame on all who fight to have this cross removed….and I mean this with every once of me, DAMNED IT BE…I hope when you all die, no one cries, erects a single sign to your time on this planet….since when u die that is all there is anyways….and yes shame on me for having no love, and able to live a life with hate that is balanced with love and tolerance, but I chose this day to not show tolerance to intolerant people who think they deserve such!

  6. Nobody could say it better than that Marine —